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mortyg wrote:

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and, yes, I am trying to "keep it positive"

TheWeave wrote:

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Sorry mortyg, but i think you've got a skewed sense of history and defintion of "winning tradition." I am not sold on KK just yet (my biggest beef is the youth of the staff), but I can't stand rants without substance. Let's do some additional review... (I added three periods right there just for you).

In their first two seasons:

KK: 29-30 overall (to date), 15-16/14-14, 6-8/6-5, 4th and 4th
DD: 32-26 overall, 19-12/13-14, 9-5/6-8 WCC, 3rd and 5th place
CW: 28-34 overall, 11-15/17-9, 8-6/11-3, 4th and 2nd
Garibaldi: 22-29 overall, 16-9/6-20, 2nd and 6th
Ferrick: 26-27 overall, 9-15/17-12 (pre-WCC)

Mmmm...everybody in the "winning tradition" seems to be running right around .500 overall their first two years. There are some first-year flashes (DD went 19-12, 9-5 for 3rd place and Ferrick went 16-9 and 2nd) but those were followed up by sub-par years. CW was the lone 2nd year bright spot.

Now, the world was different in the Ferrick and Garibaldi years, so it's only truly fair to KK to compare him to CW and DD (and even then it's a stretch because the recruiting wars and war chests are different), but CW never, ever placed 1st in the conference, was 2nd 8 times, and had 5 post-season appearances (all after 1984 mind you --13 years into his tenure). DD placed 1st three times (but only outright once), placed 2nd once, and had 3 post season appearances. And all that was accomplished with Nash.

And I guess part of the "winning tradition" is going 25 years without sweeping LMU and Pepp? This weekends Pepp letdown reminded me of the last two games DD dropped in LA...a virtual lock on 1st place...6 game roll including a sweep in the northwest...and boom they hit a wall in Gersten and Malibu. Yes, extenuating circumstances with DD's "retirement," but it was a let down nonetheless. Care to count how many times DD lost in the first round of the WCC tournament (and at HOME)?

Mortyg: I'm not sure what reality you are living in, but in this one, KK had DD's players in his first year and it was essentially the Brode-Big John show with a little Henke mixed in. KK's got a houseful of freshman, who, by the way, are rewriting the recordbooks. And for all intensive purposes, Gonzaga is the new USF, so you've got to take that into account and realize that "winning" (however you define it) ain't that easy.

...Lighten up...